Cops Threaten ‘All Out War’ On Bay Parkway Hooligans

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Cops say they have identified the teens who have been terrorizing mostly Chinese-owned shops on Bay Parkway for more than a year, and have probable cause to arrest at least two of them.

Approximately 30 merchants, elected officials, members of law enforcement, and community liaisons attended a meeting at the 62nd Precinct this morning to address the problem of rowdy youths deliberately destroying property, stealing merchandise, and harassing customers, forcing business owners to install heavy duty locks on their stores.

The shopkeepers shared photos, surveillance video, and even the home addresses of the kids — who run in packs of five or six and target the same stores multiple times a day — and local police officers recognized the youths as neighborhood troublemakers.

“It’s the same people in every picture,” Captain William Taylor told merchants. “If we don’t see a crime in the video, we can’t make an arrest, but we are certainly going to make contact with these people today, and forewarn them to stay off of Bay Parkway and out of your stores.”

If the kids are found causing trouble on Bay Parkway again, “The 62nd Precinct is going to unleash all out war on these people,” warned Taylor.

(Taylor declined to reveal the teens’ identities since they are minors, but they are described as white, between the ages of 13 and 18.)

Taylor also scolded the merchants for failing to report the crimes earlier and addressed claims that police were unresponsive to their complaints. He said he pulled all the police reports from Bay Parkway from the last two months and did not find not a single complaint about the kids.

“I cannot help if I don’t know,” said Taylor. “According to the news, this has been going on now for a year, and I just found out about it last Tuesday.”

Several business owners told Bensonhurst Bean (through a translator) that their inability to speak English has deterred them from reporting the crimes to the police. Other said that they have called 911 many times, but by the time cops arrive, the kids are already gone.

When police do arrive, it can take some time to identify which dialects the merchant speaks and find a police officer who can communicate with them, speculated Taylor.

To prevent future misunderstanding, Taylor told merchants to call District Leader Nancy Tong at Assemblyman William Colton’s office, Dr. Tim Law — a community liaison who “knows at least three dialects” — or the 62nd Precinct’s Captain Nelson Chen, who speaks Taiwanese and Mandarin. The liaison will ensure that an officer who speaks the business owner’s exact dialect will be sent to scene.

In attendance was Tong from Colton’s office, a representative from Councilman David Greenfield’s office, and Councilman Mark Treyger.

“We take this very, very seriously. We live in a great neighborhood and we want to keep it great. Today what we are doing is getting information clear, so we’re on the same page, and there will be follow up. We will be meeting again to make sure those who are responsible are held accountable,” said Treyger. “There will be justice served, because nobody should terrorize anybody in this community.

Treyger also suggested forming a Bay Parkway merchant’s association to coordinate meetings with the Sanitation Department, law enforcement, and other city agencies.

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  • Vivian Lin

    Captain Taylor shouldn’t have scolded the merchants and placed the blame on them if he knew about the language barriers between the police and immigrant communities. When merchants and other immigrant business owners report crimes, a lot of things delay the process: mostly the lack of communication when an officer doesn’t speak the language of the person who is reporting a crime. Hence, many if not most of these incidents are not filed. That’s why Taylor didn’t find any police report about these kids. All in all, I appreciate the progress our community has done in providing support for everyone in our neighborhood. This is what it’s about: coming together to help despite our race, gender, religion, etc.

  • Captain Taylor

    Vivian, this is Captain Taylor. I would never scold someone for being a complainant. I was advising them how we should proceed in the future. I understand the issues with language barriers with different communities. We are just trying to solve the problem going forward to prevent recurrence. The adjective “Scolded” was a bit of creative license by the reporter.

    • Vivian Lin

      I appreciate the clarification. Thank you.

    • Melissa

      Captain Taylor, it’s a relief to hear the trouble these kids create is finally getting attention from the precinct. Are there any plans to increase patrol through Seth Low Park? The kids dismissed from IS 96 cause such trouble at the park that I and other parents have feared for our safety and especially the safety of our small kids on the playground. Drugs, fights, harassment; just absolute disrespect and trouble, and always from the same kids. Recently there has been an NYPD van driving the perimeter but it comes too late to discourage these kids.

  • Captain Chen

    To Vivian and all the residents of the community the 62nd Precinct serves:
    This is Captain Chen, the X.O. of the 62nd Precinct. As a Chinese American member of the NYPD, I am accessible to the members of the community to address their concerns, including the Chinese Community. I can converse in Mandarin and Taiwanese. The 62nd Precinct has Chinese Officers available on all shifts that Chinese members of the community may interact in whatever language or dialect they are most comfortable with. I encourage and welcome members of the Chinese community to come see me at the stationhouse at any time with any concerns. As the weather warms up, you will find me patroling and visiting local merchants on bicycle all throughout the neighborhood with special attention to Bay Parkway.
    Captain Taylor and I meet with members of the community in a group forum at least three times a month.
    – Adult Senior Day Care Corp 6506 Bay Parkway (various times and dates as set up by Dr. Law)
    -Community Board 11 monthly meeting (Second Thursday of every month at the Holy Family Home)
    -62nd Precinct Community Council (Every third Tuesday of every month at the 62nd Precinct)

    • J.Sparkz

      I know some of these kids. I have stopped them from messing with elderly asians in the park. They are just punks they prey on people who wont fight back.

    • EndofDaze

      Your input is appreciated. Perhaps I’m wrong, but I have a number of Chinese friends in southern Brooklyn, who say they speak Cantonese, and tell me that they represent the overwhelming majority of Chinese who are here, and come from either Hong Kong or Ghouzhou province… So if you speak Mandarin, I’m curious to know how many Chinese you encounter from Shanghai and Beijing where Mandarin is the Language of essentially the many northern Chinese and their Communist government?!… Duh?!…. You can’t make this stuff up!… Only in America… As for the Taiwanese, pray tell, where are they in southern Brooklyn?!

      • Alina Tsui

        As a Chinese-American, living in Bensonhurst and what you’re saying is true. My family’s from HK, Guangzhou area and speak Cantonese, but I’ve been noticing more “northerners” speaking Mandarin/Taiwanese in south Brooklyn. I just hope Captain Chen can converse in Cantonese as well as Mandarin.

  • shz Won

    Get rid of those Seth Low kids. They are always causing trouble.

    • Melissa

      Yes! Everyday after school at Seth Low Park is a gamble for how wild the middle-schoolers are going to get. They fight, harass park-goers, trash the park, and pick on the little ones on the playground. Just recently an NYPD van has started driving the perimeter of the park but they come too late and it does little to discourage them.

  • ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ

    I’m surprised that a police precinct in this area does not have a single Cantonese speaking personnel to answer emergency calls from this community. I hope these juvenile delinquents will get the fullest extent of the law for these obvious bias/hateful acts.

    • Captain Chen

      We have Cantonese speaking officers to respond to community complaints and concerns on all shifts at all times. Even if the caller, the operator will connect the caller to a language line in order to assist and translate the call.

  • Warren Chan

    Can we charge these trouble maker with hate crime? Since the sunset park assault can be charge with hate crime when all the victims are chinese,

    • KamikaziPilot

      I doubt it, it seems like hate crimes against Asians aren’t seen as such by the justice system. Maybe the store owners should have contacted the triads for justice instead. I doubt any criminal charges will be brought and even if they are, the consequences will be a slap on the wrist.

      • Damian Ray

        Hate crimes against whites arn’t getting much attention by the media and justice system, blacks get the spotlight

        • KamikaziPilot

          True, but I still think they get more protection and attention legally than Asians do, at least it seems that way.

          • Damian Ray

            Not always i think asians get their justice and attention on the news

          • Damian Ray

            Plus i still think asians in america do get protection, its just in the american media it seems blacks are the victims and not everyone else

          • KamikaziPilot

            We’ll you’re right about the media disproportionately portraying blacks as victims. Regarding the legal system and Asians, well I haven’t seen any statistics, so I can’t say for sure. However, it seems to me racial hostility against Asians seems to be the most acceptable kind of racism in America. It’s often thought of as a “joke” instead of anything malicious, when in reality it is malicious and harmful.

          • Damian Ray

            Well at least asians in america have one of the lowest hate crime rate like 4.5% while the top is black, latino, and white

          • KamikaziPilot

            Yeah but that’s not really relevant to what I see as racism against Asians that is largely condoned by mainstream America. Ex. people mocking Asian accents, making fun of Asians eyes, etc. Just look at Jeremy Lin and all the racism he faced on the basketball court, even when playing in the Ivy League. If it were a white or black person facing this kind of racism the media would be all over it. Not the same for Lin because he’s Asian.

          • Damian Ray

            Yea i know what you mean it seems the american media likes to betray asians in a stereotype people could laugh at, like back in the old days when whites did blackface to protray african americans in a negative way

          • Chode

            Me thinks it’s cultural as well. Asians are seen as not likely to “fight back”…Which is of course foolish. I lived through the ’92 LA riots, and Koreans for instance are the LAST bunch of people you want to mess with.

          • KamikaziPilot

            Actually, relatively speaking compared to other groups, Asians are the least likely to fight back, which is at least part of the reason racism against Asians is largely condoned by the media and entertainment industry. I do remember Koreans during the riots being armed to protect their stores, so that defied the stereotype, but in general Asians are far too passive when they are picked on.

          • Chode

            True…Just look at Adam Corolla. If he said the things he has said about Asians against other groups, his career would have long since been over. He targets Asians because there is little to no consequence, regardless of any outcry. It is condoned by American society.

            Ironically, he loves to talk smack about those “Muslims,” then clams up like a little girl when those certain comedians come on his show, 😀

            Something subconsciously Freudian about it all, me thinks.

          • Chode

            LOL!!! Try being Middle Eastern/South Asian/Muslim…Easy Asians have it easy.

          • KamikaziPilot

            I’m not sure it’s worse for them, but I’d say their situation isn’t exactly the same as Asians, though they do face a lot of prejudice too.

          • Chode

            Ironically, I’m of a “Middle Eastern” background myself, and I have to admit…The racist stereotypes actually help us to an extent. People think we are all violent savages who will cut their heads off while shouting “Allah Akbar”(In reality, not even remotely close.)…So yah, it has helped me in the past, even when dealing with wannabe “tough guy” gang member types and such. When people think you are a psychopathic sadist with no fear of death, they tend not to “f” with you, and as a group nowadays, we get the gold medal award in that department. Just turn on the television for five minutes.

            For Asians, the stereotype is the exact opposite. They are unfortunately seen as easy targets for abuse by racist thugs of all backgrounds. I just witnessed it the other day with my own eyes at a local liquor store owned by an older Chinese couple who I enjoy talking with(they are Han Chinese, but really enjoy Uyghur cooking, so we joke around a bit). Local punks are always stealing stuff from their store, and even tagged the place and demanded “protection money”…Fortunately, a cop shot one of the punks dead during a break-in, and sadly that is what it takes to make it stop…Violence, or at least the percivied threat of it.

            I wish the Asian community the best…As a victim myself, getting bullied sucks, and those poor store owners deserve much better.

          • KamikaziPilot

            Very true. Being stereotyped definitely has it’s drawbacks though sometimes it does have it’s benefits. If you look Middle Eastern you probably get extra scrutiny at airports too, just like blacks are pulled over at a disproportional rate while driving. While Asians don’t face the same type of discrimination, there are other forms of discrimination and bullying we face. Tell you the truth I think I’d rather have the problem of being portrayed as dangerous and violent than submissive and quiet, though I know both are problematic. To tell you the truth I haven’t faced much racial animosity personally in my life, but I hear about it all the time. Not sure if it’s the fact that most of my life I’ve lived areas predominately Asian or at least significantly Asian, or the way I carry myself of if I’m just lucky, or a combination. But I’m still concerned with other Asians who haven’t been as lucky as me. Actually I’m concerned with injustice everywhere, as I think we all should.

          • Chode

            How times have changed…The U.S was effectively at none-stop war with countries in East Asia from the late 19th century to the 1970’s, and Asians were seen as perpetual enemies in the American psyche.

            That coupled with the rise of economic power houses like Japan in the 80’s and China and South Korea in the now, meant that people who looked East Asian got a lot of racial garbage, and that is saying it lightly.

            Look on the bright side though…A lot of the hate towards Asians is jealousy of their success here in the U.S, be it in education, financial, the Silicon Valley, etc…That should at least put a smile on your face. 😉

          • Victor Ha

            The whole interaction between the races is complex as hell, obviously. I can empathize with any disfavored minority (sure including Arabs). I’m sure white people have their own problems too, but I must say that I still hope that one day i’ll be treated as a commensurate male here in America. I’m born here, speak very solid English if I may say so, yet I rarely feel like i’m given an equal weight and equal respect as a “man” here… what can I say, lol.

            i live in Bay Ridge, home of many Arabs, but I haven’t befriended many Arabs yet, so it’s interested to hear from on Arab perspective chode.

          • Shinji’s Soul Reaver

            Fuq off with your white tears, man. This ain’t about you.

          • Damian Ray

            Hey im part asian too and i stand for everyone, stfu

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  • KamikaziPilot

    When you immigrate to this country you have to learn the rules and customs. If what Officer Taylor said is true, then the police can’t be blamed for not helping the merchants sooner. Hopefully now they know, this despicable, cowardly behavior will stop, and the punks will be punished. Immigrant Chinese are often victims of other races due to their relatively non-confrontational nature and unfamiliarity with the culture. These punks are cowards, picking on older, defenseless immigrants who are just trying to make a living.

    • Igor

      I am Russian, and the kids in the picture look Russian. Two groups seem to be wreaking havoc in Brooklyn, it is the Russians and the African Americans. In my neighborhood Sheepshead Bay, the Russians drive like maniacs at all times during both night and day, keeping up the entire community. Moreover, the Russians are responsible for the high crime rate in the neighborhoods covered by the 61st precinct. If these animals turn out to be Russians, prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law. Do not let the parents make excuses for them, as they are probably felons in their own right. Go pick on the Blacks in Coney Island you Russian swines.

  • ange

    What exactly is the punishment these kids will be receiving?

  • Concerned Citizen

    I am so happy that the Asians are finally speaking up and reuniting to keep the community safe. I feel that getting raised as Chinese American, we are usually taught to be silenced.

    • Vivian Lin

      I definitely understand what you’re saying but I do also want to say that Asians have been speaking out, but it’s just simply a narrative that we don’t learn about unfortunately until you gain interest in it and do research (or you take certain courses in college that are offered that teach you about the rich history of Asian Americans and our resistance against many inequalities in the nation). The Asian American Civil Rights Movement, for instance is something that we don’t learn about but is a significant moment in our history where challenged stereotypes on passivity, amongst other things (discrimination, etc.). I don’t think that we’re silent about issues, but rather we’re silenced*, which is much different. If you want to talk more, and/or confused, feel free to contact me (not entirely sure how this works on Disqus)!

      But in the end, I’m just like you – a concerned member of the community who’s looking forward to continuous updates on this case!

      • Chan

        Both are true. For Asians and even Asian Americans born in the U.S., we subconsciously pick up on being silent from parents when we were growing up, but this is a small only part of the reason for not speaking up (for Asian Americans). The other part is what Vivian Lin said, that WE ARE SILENCED. It’s totally true. The very few Asian Americans I know that are COMPLETELY unhindered in speaking up, they suffer the consequences and they are the few who have the audacity to keep doing it despite suffering the consequences. In my own experience, the few occasions I speak up for myself when clearly I’ve been wronged, the reaction from the non-Asians in the wrong is an attitude of “how dare you speak up to me!”, as if I am second class citizen or something (or as if I am “fresh off the boat” or something).

  • Unofficial Awareness

    This is one of the thugs that I’ll be sure to look at for

  • Shu Chan

    The captain is partly right. Action should have taken earlier. What I disagree with is the implication that it’s the merchants’ fault and also blaming it too heavily on the language barrier. First of all, most of my Asian American friends and I – and we all speak English fluently- have experienced the police reluctance to act (to be fair, not just in New York). For example, when my car was broken into, and I asked the officer if he’s going to file a report, he gave me some lame excuse why he’s not going to file a report. (Since nothing is going to unbreak my window, I didn’t bother arguing with him.) Although this incident was outside of New York, most of my Asian American friends have similar experiences in New York. My point – Just because you didn’t find any reports on it, it does not mean the merchants didn’t call the police. At least according to a previous article, the merchants did call the police, but the police were slow to arrive or didn’t arrive at all.

    Regarding the different Chinese dialects, this article (which probably weighed heavily on information from the police) made it more complicated than it actually is. 90% of the Chinese people in New York understands mandarin. 60% (or more) of the Chinese people in New York understands mandarin. All you need is a translator who speaks Cantonese and/or a translator who speaks Mandarin. (All the other dialects are irrelevant. If they don’t speak at least one of three – English, Cantonese, or Mandarin, they would be out of business.) There are a lot of Chinese Americans in New York (I know many who are born in the U.S. and speaks mandarin, cantonese, or both). It should be very easy to find a translator who speaks either Mandarin or Cantonese. If you have trouble finding one in the police department, then that tells me something about the police department.

  • Chan

    By the way, whatever these kids would be charged with (hate crime or not), I do NOT believe sending them to jail will do them or the community any good. (Jail does not rehabilitate, but will only make kids worse.) So, I think it’s best to give them something like 1040 hours of community service every year until they graduate high school, and they MUST graduate high school as another condition. Volunteer work, seeing and helping people in need, willl more likely teach these kids than jail. Also, the mandatory work will keep them busy and out of trouble. If they fail to meet any of these conditions, then send them to jail. If they fulfill all the conditions, then all this gets expunged from records when they graduate high school. After all, I think a lot of people have done stupid things when they were kids.

    • Carol8345

      They should get community service and work fot eh very people they have bulllied

  • JS

    While it’s important for business-owners to be educated and reassured about contacting law enforcement, I’d like to see the NYPD more conduct outreach to ordinary citizens about their rights. Rarely does a week go by when I do not observe Asian American neighbors being harassed or verbally and physically intimidated. I would bet that the kids who committed these crimes are simply taking a page out of their parents’ racist playbook.

    I am white and, for me, that is the worst part about living in this neighborhood. It makes me sick, and I don’t know what to do about it. Should I intervene? How best to handle it? I’m happy to see young people sticking up for themselves, but I worry about the older people who just put up with it.

  • Damian Ray

    I bet those are some ghetto thug kids with no father in their life, they need an *** beating

  • Shinji’s Soul Reaver

    It took a YEAR for the cops to finally do something? If these business owners had used paint ball guns to ward the thugs off, I bet THEY would have charges against them. The cops are useless and did sloppy work reguarding these HATE crimes. Now these speshul snowflakes have been caught, lock them up and throw away the key.

  • hidden_agenda714

    just hire some triads to shoot the next trouble maker in the head. Wont happen ever again. Make an example out of one of them.